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Moyers + Stewart

May 4, 2007

Start with a real journalist, Bill Moyers, add news-comedian Jon Stewart, mix and serve

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  1. Ted
    May 4, 2007 at 07:49 | #1

    Quite the excellent interview. Few will see it.

    Of course, I support the draft; partly for the reasons that Stewart articulated.

  2. May 4, 2007 at 08:36 | #2

    Few will see it.

    Which is why I am trying to spread it around.

  3. zilch
    May 4, 2007 at 10:10 | #3

    Why aren’t most politicians this intelligent and articulate?  Don’t tell me- I don’t want to know…

    Ted- Exactly.  One reason we don’t yet have the kind of opposition to the war in Iraq that we did in the final years of the Vietnam War is the draft.  When our soldiers are mostly the poor and undereducated, it’s easier to not get too exercised about their sacrifice.

  4. james old guy
    May 4, 2007 at 10:31 | #4

    “When our soldiers are mostly the poor and undereducated, it’s easier to not get too exercised about their sacrifice.”

    Opinion or fact?

  5. Ted
    May 4, 2007 at 10:55 | #5

    “When our soldiers are mostly the poor and undereducated, it’s easier to not get too exercised about their sacrifice.”

    Opinion or fact?

    Some of each. Undereducated in my opinion are personnel with only HS diploma/GED or less. That makes up about 97% of the enlisted military recruits (across all branches) but higher in some of the specific branches.

    Your opinion may be that someone with a HS education is NOT undereducated, but my opinion is that they are. These days, in the global economy, that level of education pretty much gets you squat except a life of steady downward trend.

    The fact that the Army increased CAT IV allowances from 2% to 4+% is a response to inability to recruit at the normal acquisition levels.

    Economically, the ranks of the enlisted recruits are mainly middle-class if we play around with what defines middle class from poor. Is a family that makes $40K a year middle class? Maybe.

    My desire for the draft has more to do with the engagement of the cross-sectional public in the general defense of American values.

  6. zilch
    May 4, 2007 at 10:59 | #6

    James, that our soldiers are poorer and worse educated than average Americans, is a fact.  That public outrage at their deaths is less because of this fact, is my opinion.

  7. May 4, 2007 at 11:20 | #7

    It only makes sense that they are less educated.  Because those that are more educated tend not to join the military and continue on with their education.  But besides that it’s easier to instruct someone how and why to follow orders when they are less educated and less likely to question orders.  Universities and Colleges have a knack for breeding students that question authority.  High School… not so much.

    I have actually two friends that were in the military and both were asked and begged to take the military test that allows for your admittance into the military.  I have no idea how to spell it or what it stands for, I just know it sounds like, “ASMAT” or something.  Anyways both friends were specifically asked to go and spend 6 hours taking multiple tests, and would be paid under the table for it, so the recruiters can forge the names and get students that flunked the test into the military.  One friend was in the Navy, the other in the Marines.  Why would there be a need to do this James?

  8. May 4, 2007 at 11:46 | #8

    One reason we don’t yet have the kind of opposition to the war in Iraq that we did in the final years of the Vietnam War is the draft.  When our soldiers are mostly the poor and undereducated, it’s easier to not get too exercised about their sacrifice.

    We could do that by requiring that wars be fought with current dollars.  Make deficit spending illegal even during wartime.  The government and the public have demonstrated they can pour human lives into a grinder for long periods of time while gutless politicians dither, but writing fat checks gets everyone’s attention.

  9. May 4, 2007 at 13:08 | #9

    We could do that by requiring that wars be fought with current dollars.  Make deficit spending illegal even during wartime.

    Damn good idea…

    GASP!  He’s a socialist!  Burn him!  Burn the commie bastard!

  10. zilch
    May 5, 2007 at 04:00 | #10

    While we’re at it, dof, why don’t we make the deficit consumption of our natural resources, and the deficit pollution of the air, water, and earth illegal too?  Sorry- just getting carried away…

  11. May 5, 2007 at 04:08 | #11

    LOL!  Baby steps, Zilch; baby steps…  Politicians understand money a lot better than they do ecology

  12. zilch
    May 5, 2007 at 05:28 | #12

    Back in the days when I was still considered potential cannon fodder, I scored well on my SAT.  Shortly thereafter, I got repeated phone calls from the military, offering to put me into officer training programs that would save me from going to Vietnam as a grunt.

    I turned them down politely and later managed to finesse my way out of military service, by allowing my college deferral to lapse just when few troops were being called up.  After three jittery months of being 1A, I was demoted (or promoted) to 4H status, and although I had to take my physical, I just squeaked out of being drafted,

    I would have gone to jail or Canada rather than Vietnam, but luckily I didn’t have to make that choice.  I did feel bad about all those who had to go, but I thought that the war (or “police action”) in Vietnam was a tragic and idiotic mistake.

    My opinion about the Vietnam War hasn’t changed. Unfortunately, the war in Iraq is not defending American ideals or saving American lives, not to mention anyone else’s lives, any more than the Vietnam War did.

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