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Thanksgiving Open Thread

November 24, 2005

No meaningful insights on Thanksgiving today – that’s been pretty much covered by others.  Right now I am sitting on my ass, blogging away ten feet from MrsDoF who is industriously producing a fabulous array of culinary wonders for us to enjoy later.  For the past two nights I have had the incomparable delight of hearing two of my sons together, bantering in the kitchen as middle-son is visiting from Urbana.

I’m in a very good mood right now.  Lots to be thankful for.

Also, two of my friends have new blogs!  Here, check them out:

Have a Wee Dram.  WeeDram and I go back quite a long way, with some shared adventures.  Expect photos and technical discussions about optics and classic 35mm cameras, plus occasional reflections on life and goals.

Notes From The Terminal Ward, “Redeeming creation one byte at a time”.  This is a good friend from work, whose current issue is about managing your personal information (including what you don’t or shouldn’t want to be public).  Expect to see posts on Information Technology and on a Christian world view.  I am looking forward to his review of Chronicles of Narnia.

Finally, check out this collection of war quotes at Joe Irvin’s Blog.  I don’t know Joe, but he is an Illinois journalist who is moving into my “regular visits” category.  Here is a sample from the post:

  • “Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war”.
    - John Quincy Adams

  • “Criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government.”
    - Robert Taft
  • “All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
    - George Orwell from “Homage to Catalonia,” Orwell’s 1936 eyewitness account of the Spanish Civil War.

There’s lots more, and plenty to think about from the minds of great men whose experience grants their words serious legitimacy.  Check it out.

Oh yeah, I forgot… this is an open thread.  Feel free to comment even on unrelated subjects.

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  1. November 24, 2005 at 14:08 | #1

    I have an unrelated but still thought-mingling quote:

    “Facts are the enemy of faith”

    Do you agree?

  2. WeeDram
    November 24, 2005 at 22:07 | #2

    Thanks for the reference to my blog.  It’s hard for me to say where it will go.  Photography and clssic cameras for sure; life and goals, yes, but with a stong bent to a path not yet taken, though somehow I know the general direction.

    Bo$$, I can’t agree that facts are the enemy of faith.  Not at all.  Facts are facts.  If they seem to be the enemy, then I suppose the faith is simply immature, as in not yet fully formed.  Then again, sometimes what we consider to BE facts, are later proven to be not facts at all.  Coming from a background of both conservative religion and a hard science post-secondary education, I know “both sides”.  Yet I now don’t consider there to be two sides.  Just a journey.

  3. November 25, 2005 at 00:38 | #3

    “Yet I now don’t consider there to be two sides.  Just a journey.”

    That may be the most profound thing I’ve heard all day. You can make it even more profound by translating into Latin.

  4. November 25, 2005 at 08:26 | #4

    “Facts are the enemy of faith”
    Do you agree? (BO$$)

    No, I’d say facts are the boundaries of faith.  When putative faith strays over into areas that can be ascertained factually, it is attempting to be not faith anymore.

    This is right in the Bible… you wouldn’t think Xtians would need US to show it to them:

    “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
    - Apostle Paul, Heb. 11-1 (emphasis mine)

    Faith ends at things for which actual data exists.  If you can see it, or presumably sense it with instruments, detect it by statistical inference, track it, analyze it, and so forth… it is not faith.  Faith is about stuff like God, or salvation, or abstracts like justice or kindness.

  5. Brock
    November 25, 2005 at 14:20 | #5

    I think The Bo$$ meant what you said with his dictum, DOF. Is fact faith’s adversary? Usually, but it’s awfully hard to get facts about things you can’t measure. Many assumptions are made concerning the nature of God but no one can prove, in fact, that he has ever existed.

    God is a false actuality yet conceptualizing him inspires belief that He is the architect of every fact we could ever discover.

    But can you have faith in facts? That’s what I really want to know.

  6. November 25, 2005 at 15:05 | #6

    Well, seeing how it’s an open thread…

    How about EJ (Elton John) getting married? In England, no less; a country that used to penalize homosexuality. Too bad the “Land of the Free” can’t be the same.

  7. November 25, 2005 at 17:55 | #7

    Brock said: “But can you have faith in facts?”

    I hope not.  What I have confidence in is a method of getting facts that allows in principle for them to be double-checked by anyone.  Science goes in this direction: “You don’t have to believe my facts.  Here’s my method, here’s my line of reasoning – you can check it for yourself.  If you come up with something different, let’s both present at the convention and see if anyone else can figure it out.”

    BO$$, I’m thrilled to see Elton John get married.  I just wish they’d been so enlightened when Turing was alive – his suicide was a “Turing Test” that Merry Ol’ England failed, miserably.

  8. November 26, 2005 at 14:30 | #8

    Our paper doesn’t use the term ‘married’.  Says it will be a ‘legally united’ partnership with all the quality of a marriage.
    Those guys have been together for 12 years.  That’s already “married” longer than many he/she couples.

    All this talk of war makes me want to rent LEGENDS OF THE FALL so that I can hear Anthony Hopkins give his great description of being in the prairie Indian wars.  Aidan Quinn in his finest role, as well.

  9. Brock
    November 26, 2005 at 16:32 | #9

    Yeah, it’s uber cool that David and Elton are tying the knot. Civil unions are fine, it doesn’t matter what it’s called but that it’s allowed.

    They’re having a ceremony just for the parents to avoid it becoming a media circus and that says a lot about respect for their parents.

    Conversely, in Dubai, UAE – “More than two dozen gay Arab men were arrested – at what police called a mass homosexual wedding.” They “could face government-ordered hormone treatments, five years in jail and a lashing”


    Good answer on the “Can you have faith in facts” question, DOF.

  10. November 26, 2005 at 18:00 | #10

    Three excellant quotes from this thread are going in my file: “What I have confidence in is a method of getting facts;” “facts are the boundaries of faith;” and Wee Dram’s whole comment.

    The treatment of those people in Dubai is horrifying.

  11. WeeDram
    November 27, 2005 at 12:17 | #11

    Sigh.  Now I have to learn Latin!  :coolsmile:

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