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Watched Sarah Palin. Ouch brain. UPDATE

January 27, 2011

President Obama used the phrase “Sputnik moment” in the SOTU speech this week, and Sarah Palin thought it was a “WTF moment”:

That’s right: she thinks Sputnik bankrupted the Soviet Union.  She actually didn’t understand the reference.

How can anyone in political life be that ignorant of American life and culture?  How?  Do we just not expect people to know things anymore?

Admittedly picking out “the dumbest thing Sarah Palin ever said” is a target-rich environment.  Remember when she couldn’t think of a single Supreme Court case other than Roe v Wade?   You’d have thought Baker v Exxon might have rung a bell, or maybe Bush v Gore; but no.   Remember when she thought Africa was a country?  The nonsense about death panels?  About how proximity to Russia (presumably) made all Alaskans foreign policy experts?  Our North Korean allies? When she didn’t know what the Bush doctrine was? Those weren’t isolated incidents and they weren’t just verbal gaffes either.  And she’s a big freaking hero to Conservatives.

So tell me, why should we be “respectful” of anyone who listens to her?  After inflicting her on the US, why is John McCain still a senator?  Why hasn’t the whole Republican party risen up and tossed her and Beck and the whole know-nothing arm of the Conservative movement out the door?  Why does anyone listen to any of them? Once upon a time there used to be smart Conservatives; there really were.  What the hell happened?


  • Ed Darrell at Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub, apparently he of more durable brain, does the heavy lifting on this one:

    “…So, when President Obama refers to a “Sputnik moment,” he isn’t referring to a foolish expenditure of money for space junk that bankrupts the nation.  He’s referring to that time in 1957 when America woke up to the fact that education is important to defense, and to preparing for the future, and did a lot about improving education.  Between the G.I. Bill’s education benefits and the NDEA, the U.S. became the world’s leader in science and technology for the latter half of the 20th century.
    But we’ve coasted on that 1958 law for too long…”

  • …followed immediately by reflection on Santayana’s Ghost
  • ***Dave has a number of questions for Sarah, including; “Does the Divine Ms. Half-Term Governor actually know what “WTF” means, even?”
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  1. January 27, 2011 at 19:42 | #1

    She is a product of the dumbing down of American education. In that sense, it’s not her “fault”.

    OTOH, respect is a whole different subject. Respect for someone simply being alive, for being a human, is fundamental. As much as I think Palin is benighted, she is still a human. And that is where we need to start, it is non-negotiable.

    But that is not to say we simply, mildly, accept =what= she says. It means that respect is accorded on the basis of humanity (sentience), regardless of stupidity. They are two very different things. Very different.

  2. January 27, 2011 at 23:19 | #2

    Anagram her name and you get ‘Sharia Plan’, putting her in the islamic terrorist corner ;-)

  3. January 28, 2011 at 05:06 | #3

    Ouch brain indeed! I’d say something clever and insightful, but it feels like I’ve just jammed a popsicle into my neocortex. And the spell checker for the comments thinks popsicle must be capitalized and doesn’t know the word neocortex, which has put paid to the few synapses still firing. I must bid you a very fond farewell and go have a good long lie-down.

  4. dof
    January 28, 2011 at 06:39 | #4

    Have no fear Dana, Ed Darrell, that history teacher of renown, has done the heavy lifting on this one. I added the link above.

    Stu – Aha! And she thought she could hide her terrorist plan…

    WeeDram – Palin is the political equivalent of the movie; “Jackass”. Does “respect” mean she should get airtime to spew this poison, be the focus of a cult of personality, and not then be subject to the mockery and derision she so richly deserves? Does it mean she should be on TV screens presented as somehow equal to people who know what they’re talking about? I never said she wasn’t human. But to pretend that she isn’t damaging this country, or to treat her as if she were some kind of serious commentator, isn’t respect; it’s condescension. To say something in public that is monumentally stupid while exploring new dimensions of hypocrisy, deserves only ridicule. As Mark Twain said: “Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand.”

    • January 28, 2011 at 09:28 | #5

      George – you have your opinions, but it is obvious to many that the same criticisms can be brought against many liberals. There have been many ridiculous and damaging comments made by both of the major political parties … since the two party system began, most likely. I think you must recognize them from the people on your side of the political spectrum by your apparent attempt to downplay their faults by saying Palin’s mistakes weren’t isolated incidents and they weren’t just verbal gaffes.

  5. WeeDram
    January 29, 2011 at 06:17 | #6

    DOF: I’m not sure I made myself clear. Oh well.

  6. dof
    January 29, 2011 at 10:25 | #7

    @David – ahh, the vague “They do it too!” false equivalency argument. You wouldn’t accept that from your kids, I hope.

    I didn’t claim that liberals don’t say such things, and far from downplaying their faults I’ve called liberal leaders on it in the past. But Conservatism lends itself to the know-nothing approach by its exclusionary nature. The lack of diversity in conservative circles? Not accidental. You start letting non-Christians and racial minorities and immigrants and gays and poor people in on the conversation and next thing you know, “the answer” becomes less clear and the only standard left is empirical evidence. And that would interfere with the dominance of the economic elite, who own much of Congress and like to exploit people like Sarah Palin.

    Sarah has power because she has a cult of personality built up around her. That means, in their minds, she literally can do no wrong. It’s dangerous enough when such a following emerges around someone who actually knows what they’re talking about, but she knows no science, no history, no geography, and has a pathetically weak grasp of issues generally. All she has is ideology, which she seems to think is hers. It has apparently never occurred to her to wonder where all that money suddenly came from, and those ever-so-helpful corporate consultants.

    Her following overlaps broadly with the that of the rest of the FOX news crowd and conservative leaders who, from their near-perfect unanimity seem to be following someone else. Not a single individual, but certainly including Roger Ailes, Karl Rove, and the Koch brothers among others.

    She’s a case study in how you can get a devoted following by looking directly into the camera and saying, with absolute (apparent) conviction, party-line nonsense no matter how factually challenged or just plain inarguable. If you don’t like the conclusions of science, or of the CBO, or field experts, you just look into the camera and… deny it and your word becomes Gospel.

  7. James Kessler
    January 29, 2011 at 12:30 | #8

    Ok, david, lets play.

    List some of them.

    By no means am I saying they don’t exist…but you might want to pay attention to the fact that every time Palin says stupid things the Republican party doesn’t cover its face and cry “Oy vey.” It claps for her. It defends her. Just like when Michele Bachmann used a supposed news source from India to paint the Presidents trip there as costing 200 million dollars a day and what was the right wing’s response? To run with it.

  8. Neil
    January 29, 2011 at 15:13 | #9

    I have been keeping a general policy of not commenting on Palin’s antics, not wishing to enable her ludicrous sideshow any more than necessary. I read this article with the intention of not commenting, but I was encouraged by the way that DOF and James Kessler immediately called out David Engel’s attempt to deflect all criticism with the standard conservative pundit ploy of making a completely unfounded, unsupported, unevidenced counter-claim, without addressing a single point of the criticism.

    I lost my enthusiasm for the “I know you are but what am I?” defense sometime before junior high. But of course, if conservatives were to give up dishonesty, willful ignorance, and finger-pointing, they might have to address issues and criticisms like adults.

    I have gone on about this issue at length here and at Stupid Evil Bastard. False equivalence and knee-jerk counter-accusations make up a large part of conservative rhetoric therse days, from party leadership down to the grassroots, and most especially in the media(the “liberal media” horsepoop conspiracy is also neatly entwined in this issue of course, as if corporate propaganda mills have a vested interest in most liberal causes.) Nobody is completely immune to bad faith arguments, and yes, some liberals have done it- and been called on it, often by their own supporters. Since nobody in the major media sees fit to call it when they see it in the big leagues, I am always glad to see regular citizens calling it out on blogs and comments sections, etc.

    I would be ecstatic if the average level of American political discourse ever got to the point where such behavior and tactics were shamed and raspberried out of fashion…and at least in some corners of the internet, it’s getting there.

  9. James Kessler
    January 29, 2011 at 19:21 | #10

    In case anyone else didn’t say it, David, this “liberals do it too” false equivalancy is the political version of “Mom! I hit my brother because he punched me first!” it doesn’t matter. What Palin said is patently and obviously stupid. I don’t care if she was the most liberal person on the planet…it’s still stupid.

    So explain to us why is it so hard for you and your fellows on the right side of the political spectrum to admit what she said was incredibly stupid and that she would have been better off keeping her mouth shut?

    I swear its as if your party declared Palin a goddess and to criticize her is the height of heretical behavior.

  10. Madalyn
    January 29, 2011 at 23:02 | #11

    I see the Palin bashers are out in full force. Guess it doesn’t matter that your pretender-in-chief thinks there are 57 states………BUT, THATS OK…His name is not Sarah Palin. You guys are the epitome of hypocrisy. In other words, if Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Michelle Bachmann say something, it automatically is stupid, but if stupid Obama says something stupid, you overlook it. You are disgusting to say the least.

  11. dof
    January 30, 2011 at 09:39 | #12

    Believe me Madalyn, we have our dissatisfactions with Barack Obama, but that’s another post and ignorance certainly isn’t one of them. He is not exactly a C student: the man graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School and edited the Harvard Law Review. You’ll recall (or perhaps you won’t) that he had the grace to make fun of himself for the 57 States gaffe in Oregon. Anyone who talks a lot – Sarah or Barack or anybody – will make verbal slips.

    So for discussion purposes let’s give Sarah the “Africa is a country” slip and assume that she knew that the African continent has something like 53 countries in an area more than ten times that of the US. Instead let’s focus on her Charlie Gibson interview. The Bush Doctrine was, as they say, “in all the papers” for several years running so anyone in national politics would have an opinion. She claimed to read The Economist and they did a lot of stories about it. Since it was THE major, and most controversial, foreign-policy focus of the Bush administration, Charlie Gibson asked her what she thought of it.

    She didn’t know what it was. You can watch the video and she didn’t know. Faced with a perfectly legitimate, ordinary question she sounded like a kid trying to side-step an exam after not studying.

    Or how about that first interview with Katie Couric? She had said something about “activist judges” and Couric asked her to name some examples of Supreme Court cases that she disagreed with. A good question that would help us understand what she meant by judicial activism.

    She couldn’t name any. Hell, I can name a half-dozen Supreme Court cases I disagree with* and I am not deluded enough run for Vice President. I know that I’m simply not qualified for that job. But it never occurs to her that she just doesn’t have the horsepower for the top office. She believes that you don’t have to know anything; all you have to do, apparently, is believe things. And complain about the “Lame stream media”.

    Then there’s the video above. She literally didn’t know what a “Sputnik moment” is. There’s no way to explain it away; it’s a pivotal moment in US history when we realized that we needed to get our act together in science and math education (to the great benefit of our economy following). And she muffed it completely. Her knowledge – the lack of it actually – is on display for everyone to see.

    So my question is: why is that OK with Palin followers?

    *(Dred Scott v. Sanford, Plessy v. Ferguson, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, Korematsu v. United States, Bush v. Gore, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. All are fascinating, but depressing reading.)

  12. James Kessler
    January 30, 2011 at 12:56 | #13

    The difference, Madalyn, is this: Obama recognized he made a gaffe and didn’t try and pretend he didn’t say it or that he was being persecuted because of it. Yes, he said a gaffe, we all do.

    However Palin never admits when she says something stupid and throws a hissy fit every time someone dares call her on saying something stupid. And right on cue..there you are to defend her saying something stupid instead of just admitting she said something stupid and moving on.

    And then you have the gall to accuse us of “Palin bashing” when you engage in Obama bashing. Sorry, the hypocrisy is yours. I have my own issues with the President, starting with the fact that he’s been entirely too moderate and entirely too accomodating to a certain right wing party who has no interest in actually compromising or working together to fix the problems that they had more then a little part in creating. One deals with bullys by standing up to them, not cowing to them. That just encourages them.

    Sputnik happened in 1957. She was born in 64. I was born in 75. Now answer me this…how in hell do I know what the term “Sputnik moment” means and she doesn’t? I’m 11 years younger then her. Now either she’s dumber then me and I’m certainly not a genius…or she said something stupid. Which is it?

    Seriously, your party needs to quit worshipping the lowest common denominator.

  13. James Kessler
    January 30, 2011 at 12:58 | #14

    And pretender in chief, Madalyn?

    He’s the duly elected President of the country. Disagree with him if you want…but show some respect for the office.

  14. Aidan Ridire
    January 30, 2011 at 13:58 | #15

    Surely Ms. Madalyn won’t mind if we start referring to Sarah Palin as “Half Governor” or “Quitter in chief” or if we refer to George W Bush as “Usurper in Chief” right? Or perhaps “Torturer in Chief”

    Or perhaps Sarah Palin’s title can be “Winker-in-Chief.”

    One should not play games one isn’t prepared to accept the consequences for.

  15. James Kessler
    January 31, 2011 at 06:29 | #16

    Just to make this clear for Madalyn and any other Palin defenders…it isn’t that Palin said a gaffe that’s the issue….it’s her playing the victim when she gets called on that gaffe instead of, you know, being honest enough to admit that she made a mistake. And it’s also that she has such an apparent irrational hatred of the president that she sits there and mocks him without bothering to think through what he said, why he said it, and her failure to recognize or acknowledge her own mistake.

    And its also your need to defend Sarah Palin from even the slightest bit of criticism, no matter how true it may be, as if she’s some sort of sacred cow that one darest not touch.

    So don’t whine about any “Palin bashing.” After all…for at least my entire adult life the Republicans have made bashing people a cottage industry.

  16. dof
    January 31, 2011 at 07:04 | #17

    for at least my entire adult life the Republicans have made bashing people a cottage industry.

    They want it to look like a cottage industry, or in political terms a grass-roots movement. But the Republican hate machine is more like Keebler cookies; advertised as being made by elves in a tree but the reality is industrial scale – starting with FOX news and think tanks like the Heritage foundation funded by the Koch brothers, tobacco firms, and Wall Street. And Republican consulting firms like Russo Marsh & Rogers who are making money hand over fist with folksy Tea Party bus tours and “partnering” with CNN.

  17. Madalyn
    January 31, 2011 at 19:23 | #18

    I was only trying to point out that too many of you think it is OK to bash someone for apparently no reason at all. Case in point: her clothes during the vice presidential run. The news and bloggers had a field day commenting about the cost of her clothes. Katie Couric had a lot of fun with that. What you all may not be aware of is that a lot of the clothes she wore on the campaign trail was LOANED to her. Same as Katie Couric on the news. She does not own the clothes she wears in front of the camera, but in her hypocritical sneer, she complained about the cost of the clothes Ms. Palin was wearing. This is just one small sample of the lunacy of you left wing turds. Get a life and leave normal people alone. Now as far as the pretender in chief, I have a great deal of respect for the office. Just none for the racist acorn/SEIU funded resident. Big difference. At least the Bush families had class. The Obamas have a lot of class, it’s just all low.

  18. Madalyn
    January 31, 2011 at 19:34 | #19

    As far as Republicans being people bashing you have obviously “forgot” about the movie about killing Bush. Also, how about all the talk about Rush Limbaugh having kidney cancer and dying, and Obama laughing his butt off over it. How about The effigy of Bush and Cheney? How about the trashing of a 17 year old girl who gets pregnant and is torn to shreds over it. Case in point: David Letterman critizing her for having a child out of wedlock. How many of you are aware of the fact that David Letterman got his girlfriend pregnant and did not marry her until the kid was 6 years old. It is the hypocrisy that I have a problem with. Being a hypocrit is not appealing. You are all guilty of it and are attempting to coerce me into seeing things your way. I am pretty darn old and I probably have kids and grandkids older than you, so don’t try and force me into thinking your way. It won’t work. I think for myself. I see someone who is not honest and I will say something. I will not go along with their view just because they are black, white, pink, green, or whatever. Obama is scamming the country and I am just aghast that some of you who claim to be so intelligent cannot see it. Time will tell. Don’t start crowing. Obama has hidden every bit of his history and won’t release anything. That tells a story in itself. I could go on and on, but I don’t think you have the capacity to learn, so it won’t do any good. Just something for you left wingers to think about.

  19. Neil
    January 31, 2011 at 20:12 | #20

    Jeezus Pleezus, Madalyn! Nothing brings out the demented liars and hopeless lunatics like….well, like the tiniest amount of honest criticism, I guess.

    After reading madalyn’s comments, I had an “aristocrats” moment. I feel like I just heard the most disgusting, offensive, and tasteless joke ever told, except the punchline is “The Republicans!”

    So, is this where I wait while David goes to find something to back up his cowardly, disghonest little comment above, and Madalyn takes a pill, calms down, and explains her ridiculous laundry list of B.S.?

    Sorry, that’s just another joke. Honesty, fair play, and clear thinking from “conservatives”? We all know it isn’t going to happen.

  20. Madalyn
    January 31, 2011 at 20:31 | #21

    Gee Neil – aren’t you just a little precious package of puke? Last time I visit this site. I was hoping to learn something but I heard the same kind of crap listening to Alan Grayson, the biggest liar of the left. Bye and don’t choke on you own mirth. (Or maybe you should).

  21. dof
    January 31, 2011 at 20:43 | #22

    Well that went through all the stages of grief in record time.

  22. February 1, 2011 at 05:48 | #23

    Neil – I didn’t really intend to continue commenting after my above statement; I said my peace and was okay with it. But, if you like …

    George, again you claim that it is a false equivalency, but I again disagree with that assessment. I don’t know that you would accept any “proof,” which I won’t claim to have. I would point out, again, that you seem to believe I’m a “Conservative,” but I’m not. I consider myself a “libertarian.” In general, I think the liberals have their fiscal policy messed up and the conservatives have their social and foreign policies messed up. That is a general comment, not a specific one.

    I’m not a Palin supporter any more than I’m a Biden supporter. My not a McCain supporter any more than I’m an Obama supporter. I think each has some positive points and some negative points. I’m not happy with the current administration, but I have never been completely happy with any administration I’ve witnessed, and I’m not silly enough to believe I would have been completely happy with any of he opposition administrations.

    I was not trying to defend Palin. I was merely pointing out that if we are going to start pointing out the errors of people who don’t hold political office, even the flamboyant, apple-of-their-political-party ones, then why not do it for everyone?

    Neil and George, you both state that liberals have been called out on their mistakes. I’ve heard some of it on PBS and NPR in the last six months, but I have to admit my sense is that it is rare. I expect you’ll argue that’s because it happens so rarely. Difference of opinion. Thank goodness for a country that still allows a difference of opinion to be voice publicly.

  23. dof
    February 1, 2011 at 08:20 | #24

    @David: You’ve made a claim but specifically declined to provide examples. And onesie-twosies won’t do it. It’s a false equivalency because there’s no correspondingly powerful cult of personality on the liberal side over anyone even remotely as ignorant as Palin demonstrably is.

    Ignorance and power are a dangerous mix. Here’s a small example: actress Jenny McCarthy believes some anti-vaccination nonsense and devotes a lot of her time to convincing others of it. She has some power for no other reason than that she is famous, yet it’s enough for children to go unvaccinated. I wonder why anyone would take the advice of a movie actress over a doctor on a medical question, but the result is that children have been getting sick and in some cases dying of preventable illness. Nice work, Jenny.

    “We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
    - Carl Sagan

    Palin’s ignorance on science, technology, and history have been extensively documented, she is hugely more powerful than McCarthy, and – so help me – there’s a non-zero chance of her becoming president someday. We don’t let a toddler pick up a loaded gun, and the only way to take this gun away from this particular toddler is to expose her for the dangerous dilettante she is.

    Saying you’re a “Libertarian” won’t cut any ice here. Libertarianism doesn’t align with my ethics at all, and Conservatives have pretty much enveloped the Libertarian movement, voting as a bloc.

  24. James Kessler
    February 1, 2011 at 11:07 | #25

    Neil and George, you both state that liberals have been called out on their mistakes. I’ve heard some of it on PBS and NPR in the last six months, but I have to admit my sense is that it is rare. I expect you’ll argue that’s because it happens so rarely. Difference of opinion. Thank goodness for a country that still allows a difference of opinion to be voice publicly.

    I point you to the Al Gore and the internet one.

    Again..the problem isn’t that she said a gaffe…the problem is she and her defenders want to pretend it wasn’t a gaffe and are throwing themselves in a tizzy at the very idea that it was a gaffe.

    Madalyn writes:
    Just none for the racist acorn/SEIU funded resident

    Yeah except for the love of God you can’t prove he’s a racist. In fact..considering that most of his staff is white its proof he’s not racist. And as for ACORN…you are aware an investigation of that proved that ACORN was set up right? Curiously the fact that the ACORN person in question called the authorities to report the faux pimp was never reported by Faux News. And as for Bush having class…tell me..where was it when he and his cronies sunk McCain’s attempt to get the Presidential nomination in 2000 by claiming that a child he adopted was really his racially mixed biological child? Where was Bush’s class when he authorized waterboarding? Where was Bush’s class when every time his two wars was criticized he wrapped himself in the flag and claimed that his opponents were unAmerican and were “attacking the troops.”?

    Sorry, Madalyn, you don’t get to claim your side is the victim. That doesn’t wash. And as for your age well it only proves you’re old. As for the rest of your blather…its blather and you know damn well you have no proof for your claims. Else you’d show it.

    Simply and bluntly put…don’t play games you don’t have the intelligence to win.

  25. James Kessler
    February 1, 2011 at 11:14 | #26

    David, let me make this clear for you and I’m simply speaking for myself.

    If Palin had admitted she made a gaffe and acknowledged it I wouldn’t give a damn.

    And as for you, madalyn, I forgot one thing. Don’t speak about Letterman and Palin’s daughters. Considering that Palin whored out her children as political props and doesn’t even have the intelligence necessary to figure out that Bristol proves that “abstinence only” doesn’t work but instead continues spouting that it does work again…you’re not in a position to claim victimhood.

    Now, have I called Palin stupid? Yeah. I’ve also referred to her and Michele Bachmann as the “Great White Bimbettes” and various other things. But here’s the difference…I acknowledge I say those things. I don’t do as you do and pretend that I or my fellow occupiers of my political spectrum are completely innocent of doing any such thing.

    Whereas you..and your fellow conservatives constantly say the stupidest things, say the most vile insults and demonizing anyone who dares disagree with you…but then when you get that treatment in return you all act as if you’re completely innocent victims.

    Sorry, child, it isn’t my party that is going to be in for a rude shock. It’s yours. Because if you haven’t noticed…the people are starting to notice what a scam and a con game the Republican party has really been playing the last few decades. Let me give you a lesson here.

    Since I very much doubt you make more then 200,000 dollars a year…you really should be questioning why you support a party that wants to raise your taxes through the roof to pay for tax cuts to the Koch brothers while simutaneously making damn sure that you get no medicare or social security.

    If you had simply acknowledged she said something stupid, Madalyn, I wouldn’t have gone after you. But you didn’t. You sat there like a blind trained seal clapping anything she says.

  26. James Kessler
    February 1, 2011 at 11:16 | #27

    Oh I can hardly wait until 2020 and the Republicans lose the entire Southwest and Texas plus Florida as part of their base.

  27. dof
    February 1, 2011 at 11:50 | #28

    Love your optimism James, but the Republicans have some very smart strategists plus an entire propaganda network and limitless corporate backing. In coming election cycles, expect more emphasis on things we’re supposed to be afraid of that, on reflection might not make a lot of sense, like liberals trying to institute Sharia law.

  28. James Kessler
    February 1, 2011 at 12:19 | #29

    Oh its not optimism, Dof. It’s certainty.

    2020 is the year that whites are no longer the majority in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and most of the SW.

    And the Republicans have certainly given the nonwhites in this country no reason to vote for them. But then the coming Latino majority in that area of the country is the sole reason that the Republicans are throwing such a tizzy fit about immigration, english only, and all the other folderol.

  29. Neil
    February 1, 2011 at 17:03 | #30

    DOF: “It’s a false equivalency because there’s no correspondingly powerful cult of personality on the liberal side over anyone even remotely as ignorant as Palin demonstrably is.”

    Absolutely. I will go further and say that this “personality cult” or just plain “cult” behavior includes not only levels of ignorance, but of blind party loyalty, willingness to lie openly to defame your opponents, and a number of traits that no good parent would ever encourage in their kids. Not only is there no current equivalent among high-visibility liberals, there is no large media network willing to help them with it on an hourly basis. The only thing “grassroots” about the current conservative movement is the mental laziness and self-righteousness needed to get behind such a movement.

    David: I’m an “issues” kind of guy. I have yet to find any one political philosophy or party that is anywhere close to having my comprehensive agreement. On many issues, I’m sure we would see somewhere close to eye-to-eye.
    But I just won’t stand for the party bullsh*t, and it is, at the current time, extremely lopsided. The modern republican party and conservative movements are firmly into 1984 territory, and have been for decades. There is very little “liberal media”, and never was much, unless you count free weekly newspapers in college towns. You admit to seeing a few liberals criticize each other, but say it seems rare…funny, I see it all the time, on every single “liberal” news site, blog, or television show I see. Open debates, exchanges of ideas, open criticism. The only time I ever see one conservative criticize another, is when there is a chance of bi-partisan agreement because one conservative isn’t towing the party line and daily talking point hard enough. Any time I complain about this, I hear that a lot of conservatives criticized Bush…at some point…possibly in public…somehow, a link or citiation never materializes, and cetainly no meaningful debate of the issues and policies.
    So sorry, but at this point in time, there is one political party that is actually somewhat open to evidence, debate, inquiry, and some transparency. I’ve yet to meet a republican and precious few conservatives of any kind, who cared a whit about any of that. Towing the line, being on the “winning team”, blatant jingoism and chest-beating, willful ignorance of history and science, the slave-like worship of power, and bucketfuls of self-righteous hatred is all the republicans have ever offered me, in my entire adult life. It’s pathetic. What’s worse is how many people just accept it as business as usual.

    As far as libertarianism, I see the appeal. Many of my single-issue views have more than a little in common with those of many libertarians, especially in the “personal freedom” areas-sex, drugs, religion, speech, abortion, etc. But as an all-encompasing philosophy, it falls flat. All freedom with no responsibility just does not work in any but the shortest terms. Taken to it’s logical conclusion, it’s no better than cavemen enslaving each other through whatever method works best, or the “divine right” of the rich. It’s an immature and selfish dream, latched onto by those who believe that they should be able to exercise their freedom without limit, and without concern for those who are hurt by it, so long as they aren’t strong enough to fight back. The only reason I can see that such a philosophy attracts so many bright people is that most of them are privileged WAY beyond their own reckoning, and have no idea what dog-eat-dog really looks like in practice, or what it’s like to be on the wrong side of a mob. And yes, the warmongers and social conservatives have fully co-opted your movement, and it benefits them. They believe in the free market just as much as you do…as long as they can keep on top of it. Your feelings about social issues, personal freedoms and rights, etc, don’t matter at all to them, as long as you are swallowing enough anti-liberal kool-aid to keep you voting for them- and the blood of their actions is still on your hands if you go along.

    Madalyn: You may think I’m a package of puke, but at least I came out of the end of the body that can form a coherent sentence. Stay classy.

  30. James Kessler
    February 2, 2011 at 04:32 | #31

    David..where were you for the ACORN thing? Hell, that’s a perfect example of a organization getting mistakenly blamed for something it didn’t do and getting roundly screwed by the press, by politicians, and by the people for it.

    Where were you when the Obama administration got roundly criticized for jumping the gun and firing that woman, sorry I don’t remember her name, over Breitbart’s chicanery?

    Then there is the aforementioned gaffe Obama made when he said there was 57 states.

    If you don’t think Democrats get called on for making real…or imagined mistakes then you seriously haven’t been paying attention.

    But as long as we’re playing this game…show me where Palin has admitted her sputnik comment was a mistake. Show me where she admits it was a mistake to call North Korea an ally. Show me where she admits she was disasterously unprepared for even a simple interview with Katy Couric.

    Show me any evidence that the woman at all ever admits to making a mistake.

    Because to be blunt, any leader or hopeful leader who pretends that they never ever make a mistake and throws hissy fits at the thought of being called on for making a mistake and claims he/she is being victimized anytime he/she is criticized….simply and bluntly put doesn’t even deserve to be county dogcatcher much less to sit in the White House.

  31. James Kessler
    February 7, 2011 at 12:32 | #32

    From Daily Kos:

    “Former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was scheduled to speak at an event for a Colorado nonprofit group May 2, but the event was canceled the day after it was announced due to “an onslaught of personal attacks” against Palin.

    Palin was to speak at the Patriots & Warriors Gala at the Infinity Park Event Center in Glendale, Colo., which was billed as an awards banquet and fundraiser for military families in need and for a grief camp for children who had lost loved ones in combat.

    A press release posted on the sponsoring organization’s Facebook page reads, “Due to an onslaught of personal attacks against Gov. Palin and others associated with her appearance, it is with deep sadness and disappointment that, in the best interest of all, we cancel the event for safety concerns.”

    The press release goes on to say that no direct threats were made against Palin, nor were any made against members of the organization’s staff, but in light of the shooting rampage in Arizona last month, the negative rhetoric “raises concern for her safety and the safety of others despite the call for civility in America.”

    The cancellation of the speaking engagement frees Palin to attend the NBC/Politico Republican presidential primary debate at the Reagan Presidential Library in California, also scheduled for May 2.”

    So because she gets criticized today she backs out of an appearance to help raise money for soldiers and their familys in May. I wonder how fast the right would flip out if the President backed out of such a thing in order to attend a Democrat event.

    The woman doesn’t deserve to be President if she has such a thin skin. Nor does she deserve to be President if she continously protrays herself as the victim.

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