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Fiscal Conservative

August 8, 2008

When you invest in America, you get a return.

By Steve Greenberg, from Stranger Fruit, who got it from Crooks And Liars.

Categories: Economics, Politics
  1. August 8, 2008 at 08:48 | #1

    The GOP/neo-cons have perfected the art of the Big Lie as practiced by such as Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

  2. David Engel
    August 8, 2008 at 09:02 | #2

    The only problem with all of this is that it is normally Congress which holds – or opens – the purse strings. The Congress under Clinton was Republican, and under the others, Democrat. While the president does set major policy, Congress has a lot of weight in what happens with the budget. Especially without Line Item Veto. (Not that I am for that – look at the mess Illinois is in because of the fights between the executive and legislative branches.)

  3. August 8, 2008 at 09:05 | #3

    Clinton laid down 63 spending vetoes on that ‘Republican’ congress.  All but 13 stood.

  4. joe
    August 9, 2008 at 22:51 | #4

    I poached the pic with credit.

  5. Seth
    August 12, 2008 at 11:20 | #5

    Yep #2 … Congress controls and defines the budget, recently I’ve found it sickening that when it came to military spending (argue about war another time) certain someones in congress knew the prez would have to sign it to fund troops – no matter what – so they loaded spending packages they made with stuff like an extra 5 million dollar subsidy for the tuna industry…which a certain woman representing San Fran happens to own a tuna cannary in Fiji and directly benefited.

    additionally, Government is not supposed to be a for-profit entity. They should have just enough money to operate…now how they operate is subject to debate, but a surplus is wrong that is our money…under the surplus the tax rate was 38% that means every American essentially worked from January to May just to pay their taxes…and it is celebrated as genius.

    When you do your taxes, do you get jacked that you are getting 2,3…10 grand back? The money you get back was a personal loan to the government with 0% interest – no return on your loan…if you had that refund back in your check and you saved it you would have been earning at least something on it. Me, I aim for Zero…I get nothing back, I pay nothing in. The US gov has been taking our money at gun point since FDR and I refuse to give them anymore than I absolutely have to.

    But hope and change is coming! The change will be to your tax bracket. Sunshine said, 40-50% was a fair tax rate in a debate with Senator Clinton…followed by 100k a year will be the new filthy stinking rich. WTF? My wife and I have worked our entire lives combined over 45 years to get to that point…we’re not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination…especially when I gotta slap some braces on my daughters grill. Ramble On.

  6. August 12, 2008 at 11:29 | #6

    OK Seth, all very good.  I would like to see the gub’mint paying down debt because that’s nothing more than putting the taxes off on our grandchildren.  With compound interest. 

    Short version: the “tax cuts” are a dirty lie, and so is the “booming economy” based on that lie.  Government has a job to do and the Republicans have been trying to make sure it doesn’t get done.

  7. Seth
    August 12, 2008 at 13:35 | #7

    C’mon…they are ALL Liars and scumbags, I guess we can agree to disagree, I don’t play the republican v. democrat blame game. When you put all the blame squarely on the shoulders of one or the other it without a doubt, at least to me – shows a bias…personally that isn’t being very honest, with me or yourself.

    Sorry, but I do believe in keeping my money in my pocket, albeit harsh to some ears, what’s mine, is in fact mine. And I will worry about my grandchildren, you don’t have to. I will vote for a person, who will stay the hell out of my life, that is the way this country was intended to work. I know what is good for me and my family better than any politician ever will, no one has the right to come into my house and tell me what kind of light bulbs to use, what kind of car to drive, how big or how small my house should be, and since It just happened, what breed of dog I can own. Then if I don’t comply, I get taxed…no pay – go to jail?

    That isn’t the liberty I was guaranteed…that is in fact the opression I was promised would never be leveled at me.

    I live in Durham, NC and this place from top to bottom always has and always will be run by the Democratic party. I take the good with the bad, but for christ’s sake these people couldn’t run a hot dog stand…and all they have to do is say, “I’m not a republican” and they get elected. It’s irrational and counter-productive.

    but whatever, all I know is I was just at the beach and my father-in-law proclaimed that Oil Company execs should be put in jail (he echoes your sentiments on republicans)…I asked him about the chairman of Nike, Sony, MGM, Disney, IBM and Apple, they (co.s) all made more profit than Exxon, BP, Shell…should they be subject to a windfall tax and/or jailed? No. To me – that is the attitude that I worry about when it comes to future generations, its pure hate…useless, baseless, intellectually dishonest, unfair, and scary.

    If your ship is sinking, do you?:
    A: Fix the hole and get to Safety.
    B: Find out who or what was the cause, form a commitee and prosecute or sue those that are responsible – meanwhile the water is up to your chin.

    funny my keyword to post this is…soviet.

  8. August 12, 2008 at 18:24 | #8

    Seth, your philosophy is well suited to life isolated on an island, not trading with anyone, or using any consumer products, eating any fish from waters shared by anyone, or breathing air shared by any industrial societies. 

    As to its suitability in the real world, that could be a different story.  You are right we will have to be satisfied with disagreement.

  9. Seth
    August 14, 2008 at 11:03 | #9

    Huh? Not Trading, breathing air, using consumer products…wtf are you talking about? This thread is about fiscal responsibility and the above caption, no? How did the Clinton admin get a surplus of money? Taxes, hand over fist. If you disagree on how the government ended up with a surplus, educate me. Aside from federal seizures of property etc, Taxes are their main source of revenue.

    I heart capitalism, I run a small design studio, I work my F’n balls off 50-60 hours a week doing my damnedest to influence people to buy consumer goods and establish brand loyalty. When I go to do my taxes and someone wants to take 40% of what I’ve worked for…I’m not really happy about that. What did the government do to earn that…better yet, what makes Shamika who does nothing but get fat and happy sitting on her couch all day entitled to a portion of everyones pay check?

    Sharing? I think that is key to your mindset. Share the wealth right? You’re not talking air and fishes. I’m one of the nicest giving people you’d ever meet, from volunteering in the community, working with children with disabilities, even had a pitbull rescue once.

    Maybe, you can sit back and feel good that your over taxation benefits someone and from that point on you don’t have to lift a finger because you’ve done your part. When was the last time you went and delivered a meal to a shut-in or went and talked to an old person in a home just so they’d have someone to listen to them? It’s not all about money, I share my time and compassion…if I have enough $$ at the end of the day, I may take one of my “little brothers” from the 4H program to a baseball game or something. Point is – I get to choose how I spend my money and how I want to share it.

    I surely hope your a frickin student up there in Illinois, cause if your a professor ramming this kind of garbage down the throat of young adults and indoctrinating them, it should be a crime. And if you are a student…you’re going to tell me about the real world…laughable.

    You know what the real world is? Having the balls to pay for your own education with Stafford loans, not taking a dime from the government, then have them turn around a tax you into oblivion and – at times – squeek by while paying the loans back.

    Hard to believe I came here for information on a 34 pict 3 carb for my Beetle … and I get you telling me how it is … I’ll stick to aircooled.net from now on, better class of people.

    “We can share the women, we can share the wine, we can share what we got of yours, `cause we done shared all of mine.” -Jerry Garcia

  10. August 14, 2008 at 11:40 | #10

    Seth, I have a strong premonition that I could explain about government as the corporation of the people against corporate exploitation – and make no mistake you are nothing but meat to the multinationals – or that government like anything else works no better than the care and effort we put into it, but you are epoxied down to your position like a barnacle.  I didn’t say anything to insult you, your good works are not an issue.  And yet here you are insulting me, saying I’m not a good class of people. 

    The ‘real world’ extends beyond the reach of your daily commute.  Do you buy produce, fish, beef, medicines, electricity, automobiles – in short are you part of the larger society?  You better hope the produce doesn’t have e.coli, the fish doesn’t have mercury (and that somebody’s watching to make sure there will still be fish tomorrow), the beef doesn’t give you mad cow disease, the medicine doesn’t cause your kids to be born deformed, that your electricity is generated in some environmentally responsible way, and that your automobile doesn’t kill you in a minor collision.

    You said you’d look after your own grandchildren.  Think you can protect them from a ruined world, a ruined economy?  Like it or not, we’re a society so unless you live on an island, you benefit from infrastructure, and from the regulations you chafe against.

    And btw you won’t find any politics in my post about the VW carburetor.  You came here, to a post about the deficit and the debt, you get politics.  No one is forcing you to read it.

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