Comments on: Stitch in time saves nine – 2nd in a series on cliches that made our country strong http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/ Schrodinger's tagline is both clever and banal at the same time Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:56:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: dof http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18412 dof Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:15:45 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18412 Welcome Shilman!

Almost on cue, an example of exactly what I was concerned about: Sherman-Minton bridge in Louisville shut down. I’d love to hear a credible estimate of the weekly economic cost of having that route shut down.

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By: shilman http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18333 shilman Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:56:38 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18333 Hi George, Thanks for this post and this series. Lucas turned me onto your blog.

For the past few months I’ve been staying in Seoul and marveling every day at the investments here: in transportation, healthcare, business, education, parks, housing, etc. etc. etc. Seeing all these things done right here makes me really worry about the future of our country, above and beyond the obvious political and macroeconomic concerns. I’ve recently started trying to get my thoughts down at http://log.shilman.net.

I’m really inspired by this principles-based look at things and will use it as yet another lens through which to understand what’s going on here in Seoul. Please keep these posts coming!

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By: dof http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18081 dof Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:41:45 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18081 Oh, and you’re right: a “good” expansion joint is an entertaining problem. I’ve sketched several over the years only to find 1) they’ve been tried and found wanting for XYZ reasons, or 2) see number 1. It’s one of those things that seems like it should be easy, but…

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By: dof http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18080 dof Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:38:26 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18080 Thanks Chas! I looked for splice plates but couldn’t find anything that really helped me visualize them. Would appreciate a link if you have one.

I’m not so much worried all the bridges are going to collapse; I’m worried a bunch of them will get so bad that they’ll have to be shut down, and an anemic economy (which would have been improved by, say, bridge-maintenence and building) won’t be able to provide the funding to replace them, further impeding transportation and hurting the economy even more. Same goes for water mains, sewer systems, the grid, etc. The purse-string people only have as big a purse as we give them.

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By: Chas, PE SE http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18078 Chas, PE SE Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:00:02 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18078 Hi, George:

You pretty much got it right. The hanger assembly is under the expansion joint, and they haven’t invented the good one of those yet–though they keep trying.

As for “stitch in time”–it isn’t quigte as bad as you make out. Every bridge in the US is inspected at least every two years, “Arm’s Reach”, ie from right close up. Some are inspected more often, if they’re in poorer shape. It is standard practice to replace those hangers with splice plates, and to eliminate the joint openings in the decks so salty water doesn’t attack the steel. This is done as funds are available, and as bridge conditions require, and it is a judgement call by people holding purse strings–but the work does get done.

And the bit about how there are several “I beams” (actually Wide Flange Sections, or W shapes): That’s called Redundancy, and is an important factor in bridge design. This was first realized in the Silver Bridge collapse of 1966. This bridge had been designed in such a way that a single crack in an eyebar caused the catastreophic collapse of a 1000 foor suspension bridge. Now we design so that, if one member fails, the bridge might be unusable, but it won’t fall.

If you have any more bridge-type questions, send me an E-mail.

Chas, PE SE, NHI qualified bridge inspector, and currently unemployed.

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By: Dana Hunter http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/09/things-we-used-to-say-2nd-in-a-series-on-cliches-that-made-our-country-strong/#comment-18068 Dana Hunter Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:32:30 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2214#comment-18068 Loving this series. I hope it creates a cadre of sensible people who can elect sensible politicians and pressure them to do sensible things, because without that, this country is going to fall apart.

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