Comments on: Punishment http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/05/punishment/ Schrodinger's tagline is both clever and banal at the same time Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:56:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Neil http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/05/punishment/#comment-14527 Neil Sat, 14 May 2011 22:53:10 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2140#comment-14527 It has long seemed quite obvious to me that our society’s(and most other societies’) general ideas about justice are little more than an attempt to regulate revenge and reinforce the state monopoly on violence. It’s a starting place I guess, compared to vigilantism, mob rule and the open tyranny of the powerful- but I’ve always wondered why social conservatives feel so strongly that it should never go beyond punishment, punishment, and more punishment, no matter how much evidence you can show them about better options. There is an almost allergic reaction to any idea that might undermine the concept that authority must be obeyed and feared like a vengeful god, despite the fact that it has never worked very well at all for anything other than concentrating power and fostering a permanent cycle of distrust and resentment among the people.

The concepts of presumption of innocence, evidence, and open trials are about the only things we get really right in my opinion(or even try to get right), and even so it is a system that has become fully rigged to give those with a lot of resources a reasonably fair shake while serving as little more than a prison funnel for those who are not rich or look like outsiders, and especially for those who have been in trouble before.

Thank you for bringing these issues up…our assumptions about crime and punishment are so irrational and run so deep that even the most compassionate, liberal, and open-minded people I know have almost no problem with outrageous sentences for even harmless, victimless “crimes”, unfair and increasing economic barriers to justice, an ever-growing, profit based prison system and all the horrorshow of new corruptions that entails, along with a huge amount of prejudice against any ideas that look for results instead of revenge.

And as almost always, I can’t help but notice that the more conservative and more religious someone is, the more deeply entrenched they are in these mindsets, and the more they fight any kind of reform or even debate. Reasonable, compassionate people figure out as children that kicking a mean dog only makes it meaner…yet somehow, many folks think that society is well served by treating humans worse than they would treat a vicious animal.

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By: WeeDram http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2011/05/punishment/#comment-14515 WeeDram Sat, 14 May 2011 18:31:16 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=2140#comment-14515 Just up the street from you, on Normal Ave @ Gregory, lived a high school crush. She married a Norwegian (much to my dismay,) and moved to Noreway. While that marriage eventually ended, she stayed and continued her teaching career. I don’t blame her.
On a more fundamental level regarding blame and punishment : http://bit.ly/kCl7pP

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