Comments on: 9/11 6 years on from many angles http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/ Schrodinger's tagline is both clever and banal at the same time Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:56:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: webs05 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3739 webs05 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:24:59 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3739 Thanks for the Monkeysphere link Ted.  I posted it on my site

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By: Ted http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3738 Ted Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:56:16 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3738

when they fail to condemn and hunt down the so called violation of their so called beliefs then I have no choice to consider that they encourage them.

Likewise, when a hellfire missle or a US made 2000lb bomb “falls” on a building in Gaza, they—the other side—might have no other choice but consider that we—the innocent taxpayers—might be encouraging things.

I really, really, REALLY like the Monkeysphere meme, because it’s so right on the money that (IMO) it should be considered “Philosophy (Simplified)”

PS: You know what the workaround for Dunbar’s number is? To consciously be misanthropic enough so that there’s always room to accommodate someone abstract in your 150 when the rage strikes you.

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By: WeeDram http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3737 WeeDram Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:06:12 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3737 James, I think there are a LOT of Muslims who condemn the terrorism, no matter what the belief or religion of the perpetrator.  Do you know why a group plotting bombings and even the kidnapping of Canadian MPs was arrested in Toronto?  BECAUSE A PROMINENT, DEVOUT MUSLIM WAS A MOLE (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/07/13/terror—plot.html)

You might want to read a little wider.

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By: james old guy http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3736 james old guy Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:34:42 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3736 I have no high moral ground when a group tells me its either convert to their way of thinking or die. Don’t hand me the reason’s they did this, their only shame is that they did not kill more Americans. I don’t believe in turning the other cheek, I believe in the old an eye for an eye. Do I hold a religion responsible for the acts of its followers, when they fail to condemn and hunt down the so called violation of their so called beliefs then I have no choice to consider that they encourage them.

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By: WeeDram http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3735 WeeDram Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:20:28 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3735 Honestly, I’m quite tired of the 9/11 culture and industry.  Especially since Bush/Cheney et al have made it irrelevant to anything.

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By: webs05 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3734 webs05 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:57:07 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3734 1. Nope you are simply responding to an event in a different way than others.  What would make you an asshole is if you did the Jerry Falwell approach, where the day after you said it was all our faults for being gay and not renouncing our faith in jesus.

2. I agree with DOF.  9/11 was different.  Nuff said.

I think a better reaction than the fear, confusion, anger, and other responses would have been, how can we keep this from happening?  And actually thought about it, rather than assume we must attack them back.  Killing terrorism is a little more complex than dropping bombs.

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By: george.w http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3733 george.w Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:19:41 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3733 It isn’t an insensitive question.  I can’t speak for anyone else, but here goes.  To question 1; heck, I dunno.  People differ, we are all somewhere on the curve. 

To question 2; it’s because it was deliberate intent.  It wasn’t people being killed on the highway, or a large number of individual murders, it was 19 people murdering almost three thousand people in a leveraged attack, with tremendous economic impact and the promise of much more. 

I am not nearly as frightened by the 9/11 attack as I am by the unreasoning rage it has brought out in nearly everyone.  We have squandered our moral high ground in the search for the illusion of security.

9/11 is now a unit of measure, like “fully loaded 747s crashing” or “Columbines”.  As in; “The US death toll from smoking is 130 9/11s”.

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By: Ted http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3732 Ted Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:31:47 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3732 I’m going to go with something unpopular for a minute. (For sensitivity sake, I waited an extra day—It is the day after…)

We have a general population growth of about 7,400 people in the US every day. Some are born, some immigrate legally, some illegally jump the fence.

But day-in, day-out, it adds roughly 7,400 per day.

So we lost 3,000 people one day. Yes, it’s poignant. It’s filled with pathos. The TV was VERY dramatic. Many people showed great gravitas….

But again, …7,400 each day.

Folks there’s a glut of human capital out there. I don’t even blink that we had 30,000 domestic gunshot deaths last year. Or however many car deaths.

I watched the whole 9/11 thing for about 24 hrs. Have a TV right here next to my workstation so caught it all—from the first hit, to the public saying, “Where the f*ck’s the president anyway?”. To the wee hours the next day.

I guess, I’m surprised by the general reaction. It’s not that I’m heartless; but I didn’t know these people, and we all die. It’s not like dying is a unique event. You’re headed down that road too.

So my question is thus:

1. Am I a prick for not being as moved as many apparently are?

2. Why are the rest of you so moved over 9/11? TV coverage? Empathy? Proper framing? Nationalism? It seems to transcend political orientation.

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By: webs05 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3731 webs05 Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:29:45 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3731 Sorry, above I meant to say:
You instead have to give people an alternative to joining terrorist ideals.

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By: george.w http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/2007/09/9_11_6_years_on_from_many_angles/#comment-3730 george.w Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:24:02 +0000 http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/?p=941#comment-3730

Human pysche seems to dictate that we don’t just lay down, but instead we get up and defend ourselves.

Which explains why so many people want to start lobbing nukes in the general direction of people who have the same religion as the 9/11 attackers.  However counterproductive that might be. 

I don’t mean to diss Cajun here – lots of people feel that way.  Who didn’t, for varying periods of time after 9/11? 

Human nature is what it is.  But it is also a danger to us.  As Gandhi said, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”.  It is not fuzzy idealism, it is a starkly practical warning.

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